Great pens , but I've had them bleed w/ water and India ink. Maybe I didn't let it dry enough. Also, if you don't let the ink try for at least 30 minutes, it's prone to smearing if you try to erase your pencil marks
I bought these to do illustrations for a book. They draw smoothly and dark, but they are not waterproof. I let them dry 2 days and when I went to watercolor , the drawing smeared and bled badly